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untanglingwebs
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Yesterday Genesee County Clerk/Register of Deeds John Gleason asked the Genesee County Commissioners for an audit as there is evidence that as much as $4 million is missing. His request was denied and some commissioners were disrespectful in their denial.

Since at least a million has been spent in multiple lawsuits that involve accusations of misappropriated funds, it is appalling that commissioners would not seek to vindicate their actions. The courts have already ruled against some of their apparent misappropriations.

Is the county in a more serious financial condition than is known to the public?
Post Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:40 pm 
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untanglingwebs
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I have had so many politicians justify placing limits on Gleason's legitimate staffing rights because they allege he was unfair to his staff when he was a state representative. Does this make the commission the arbitrators of behavior for all elected officials? Does that mean the commissioners can arbitrarily set different rules for elected officials they personally don't like?

These elected officials have to operate within a framework established for their office. However, they also have positions they are allowed to fill at will. Gleason had to sue to protect his rights and the county still refuses to honor the court's decision.

The Treasurer, Clerk, Sheriff and Prosecutor are all county wide elected positions while each of the county commissioners only represents one/ninth of the county. Since there are so many allegations of wrongdoing by the commission and individual commissioners, what gives them the right to predict another's behavior?
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Who knew our politicians were such "bitchy little girls"! Some things are better handled behind closed doors until it is apparent there can be no reasonable resolution.

The allegation of the illegal use of the Tech monies mandated for the Register of Deeds was a component of the lawsuit between Gleason and the Commission. If the commissioners will not honor the courts decision, why doesn't Gleason file a mandamus action or have his attorneys push the issue? Calling the commissioners corrupt in a public hearing doesn't generate "warm fuzzy feelings".

And commissioners should not rise to the bait. What will happen next? Are we going to have an all out brawl as has been shown in some media stories lately

If Gleason is unhappy with the current contract, why doesn't he rebid it?

Under the current tech services transparency has been abandoned. User fees are the new form of taxation. Recently, an attorney was complaining about the "Silverlight" link that was needed to view a register of deeds site. I have to agree the site is difficult to use. Big brother is watching as a person cannot use the site unless they register. Then everything is blurry until you agree to purchase the document.

Until recently there was a public access site where only the basics could be viewed. There was no requirement to purchase or even view the entire document. This move to eliminate this public site makes it harder for activists to view the compliance of nonprofits receiving federal money and other political concerns.

Government is limited in raising taxes so they use these "user fees" to pimp the public.
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http://swartzcreekview.mihomepaper.com/news/2015-05-14/News/Gleason_calls_for_comptroller_audit_of_ROD.html


Gleason calls for comptroller audit of ROD


By Paula K. Schmidt

810-452-2647 • pschmidt@mihomepaper.com

GENESEE COUNTY — Missing funds of well over $300,000 and misappropriation of funds designated by law for specific purposes have led Genesee County Clerk John Gleason and Register of Deeds (ROD) Roberta Sacharski to call for an independent audit of the fund and the county controller’s office.

According to both Gleason and Sacharski, she has conducted a preliminary audit since she began in March and has found the ROD technology fund is well short of what should be a $344,640 balance for the year.


This is based on Public Act 698 of 2002, which brought into law the requirement that $5 of every deed recorded was to be put into the technology fund to upgrade technology that is out of date and creates an inability to perform public searches.


“We’re in trouble, as a department, because I believe inappropriate actions have taken money out of this (fund),” Gleason said. “We have to have a very responsible discussion with the controller’s office and the leadership of the county board of commissioners.

“I want an independent review of… the Controller’s office,” Gleason stated. “The law is pretty clear that this money is supposed to be dedicated to the tech fund…(not) office supplies and salaries.”

Gleason also stated that he has met with employees of the Keith Francis, the Controller’s office and have been openly told the fund is commonly known as a “slush fund” and has been so for years.

Following a lawsuit Gleason recently settled against the Genesee County Commissioner’s office, Gleason states as of last September, Francis was ordered to meet with him to review the ROD budget but the meeting has not happened yet.

The State Attorney General was also notified of the irregularities in the financing of the department via letter, according to the clerk, but they have had no response. Now he wants the Michigan State Police, or some other outside agency to do a complete audit.

In addition to managing the various county department budgets, Francis is also supposed to prepare a Comprehensive Annual Financial Report which is given to the State of Michigan Treasury and Gleason believes this report has been misleading to say the least.

“Even one of (Francis’) own employees advised my staff that what was happening, should not be happening,” Gleason added. Sacharski said, “I’m concerned that there has been knowledge that the numbers don’t add up, that the funds have been inappropriately budgeted and spent, and that this has been going on for quite a long time.”

When Sacharski found the fund balance was “woefully inadequate” to support the purchase of new technology, she used her background as a lawyer to look at the law and create a preliminary investigation into the matter.
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Attorney bills cost county $350,000 in lawsuit settled between clerk ...

Mar 19, 2015 ... Clerk-Register of Deeds John Gleason filed the suit in 2013 asking a ...
GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- A lawsuit between the Genesee County clerk ...

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/03/lawsuit_settled_between_county.html

Attorney bills cost county $350,000 in lawsuit settled between clerk and Genesee County Board

Blake Thorne | bthorne1@mlive.com By Blake Thorne | bthorne1@mlive.com
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on March 19, 2015 at 6:34 PM, updated March 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM

GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- A lawsuit between the Genesee County clerk and the Board of Commissioners will cost the county $350,000 in total attorney fees after the suit was settled.

Clerk-Register of Deeds John Gleason filed the suit in 2013 asking a judge to rule that his offices have not been properly funded and that Gleason should retain the authority to hire certain positions relating to his office.

The settlement confirms that Gleason is able to select and hire employees for both the clerk's and vital records offices, including retaining his ability to appoint his chief register and deputy register of deeds. He also is able to keep authority of circuit court clerk positions.

The legal fees for both sides are paid from a county insurance policy. All lawsuit costs are settled from this "risk pool," Board of Commissioners Chairman Jamie Curtis said.

That fund is currently insured at about $7 million, Curtis added.

The suit initially went to Genesee Circuit Court, then was kicked over to Washtenaw County then Ingham County before being appealed to the state court of appeals.

Curtis said it's good to have the suit in the past.

"Whenever you're able to settle out of court, that means both sides are working together," Curtis said.

Gleason also said he's glad the suit is settled.

"It's good to have it behind us," Gleason said.

Gleason's move to have county taxpayers fund an outside attorney is similar to actions taken by former Register of Deeds Rose Bogardus, who sued commissioners twice in 2010: once to hire an attorney to represent her office and a second time over the level of funding for her office.

Former county Clerk Mike Carr also threatened to sue commissioners over the level of funding for his office in 2011 but never followed through on the threat.

The board last year dropped a suit that was between the Board of Commissioners and the county treasurer. That suit stemmed from a disagreement over how the treasurer can handle funds from delinquent taxes.
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Blake Thorne focused on the wrong issue. Yes this lawsuit cost $350,000, but what as the cost of all four lawsuits? The Commissioners are the losers in all of the cases.

There were two allegations in the 2013 Gleason lawsuit that revolved around an improper use of the Technology fund. What was the court's ruling?

People should read the 2014 Caper. Although it is over 200 pages, I found it interesting that significant transfers were made to the general fund fro the Delinquent Tax Fund of the Treasurer. Cherry must have agreed to these transfers. What would have happened if these transfers weren't made? Is the county in a precarious financial position?
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http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=10884&start=45
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Genesee County Clerk-Register John Gleason files second ...


www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/09/genesee_county_clerk...

Sep 06, 2013 · GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- Clerk-Register John Gleason has sued the county for the second time in 30 days, claiming the Board of Commissioners isn't …
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Genesee County Clerk-Register John Gleason files second lawsuit over funding

Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com By Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com
on September 06, 2013 at 7:00 AM, updated September 06, 2013 at 8:19 AM


GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- Clerk-Register John Gleason has sued the county for the second time in 30 days, claiming the Board of Commissioners isn't adequately funding the his offices and is breaking the law by using money he collects in fees to balance the general fund budget.

Filed in Genesee Circuit Court, the lawsuit asks Judge Judith Fullerton to prevent commissioners from taking certain funds from Gleason's offices, to rule that the offices have not been properly funded, and to enjoin commissioners from "interfering with the clerk's Web site."

Gleason said he had no choice but to sue the county after commissioners made it impossible for him to do his job and refused to talk out problems that they created.


"It's a very sad day when you can't have a responsible discussion without this going to court," the clerk-register said. "I reached out to to (board Chairman) Jamie Curtis for eight months to come and sit down in our office" to talk about the areas of disagreement.

"They can bring whatever team they want, and I'll bring my staff, and if we can't resolve this in an hour there's something wrong," he said.

Curtis said Gleason has "zero credibility" with commissioners and said "nobody on this board ... can work anything out with John."

"John needs to do some soul searching," he said. "It's not just coming from me, it's coming from everyone on the board."

The trouble between commissioners and the first clerk-register in county history has been brewing almost since the moment Gleason took his oath of office in January.

By Aug. 8, the clerk-register filed a lawsuit, seeking the authority to retain an attorney and have him paid all outstanding fees and fees to be accrued ... "at a rate comparable to the commissioners pays its counsel."

That lawsuit is pending in Washtenaw County after Fullerton recused herself from hearing the case.

The lawsuits come after Gleason called on commissioners to roll back the price charged for vital records just last month, claiming the board was using proceeds to illegally supplement the general fund.

Earlier this year, the two sides clashed over the salary to be paid to Administrative Assistant Leslie Raliegh and over a county directory published by Gleason's office.

Among the claims in the new lawsuit:
•Commissioners failed to certify and make meeting minutes available to his office, something that "could result in violations of the Open Meetings Act."
•The board has not adequately funded Gleason's offices "in an amount minimally appropriate for plaintiff to carry out his constitutionally and statutorily mandated duties."
•The county disabled the Clerk's Office Web site, "directly interfering with public access and the clerk's ability to communicate to the public."
•Took steps to prevent Gleason from hiring his own chief deputy by refusing to approve a budget request for the clerk-register to name an administrative assistant and deputy clerk.


John Gleason
Sep 18, 2013

Hey folks, it's this easy. Pull out your property tax statement. You pay a hefty Genesee County operating tax. This tax pays for the general operation of Genesee County. Better known as the day to day expenses. Either pay the operating tax or the document fee to run the county. But, change the law to do it right.The fees for documents is to pay only for the production of the documents. As Lt. Guv John Cherry stated publicly,anything in excess "is a tax." We should NOT gouge to balance the budget.


vagaholic
Sep 6, 2013

MCL 333.2891(16) pretty much spells it out. Gleason has a valid point.


frappuhn
Sep 6, 2013

Come on now, think about this...if this was an illegal shift of tax $$ or an improper accounting practice. Wouldn't you think that the controller or auditors would throw a flag on this play?? After they are the trained professionals, not career politicians.



burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013




Auditors check accounting practices to accepted practices and are not necessarily lawyers (there's even a disclaimer in their report about that). A lot of illegal municipal practices fall through the cracks until legally challenged.


John Gleason
Sep 18, 2013


Montrose schools have at least $800,000 stolen with annual audits. Our controller was fired at GC. Career Alliance hundreds of thousands stolen and annual audits. I was on the Genesee County Board. Served on the leadership, audit and budget committees. The fees were $10. Raised from $10 to $25 in about one year. Pull out your property tax statement and see what you pay on the Genesee County operating millage.

buick72
Sep 6, 2013

I would be surprised if the money collected by the County Clerk Office is enough to cover it's overall operational expense. Wages, health and pension benefits, FICA, supplies, housekeeping, and building maintenance are just a few of the expenses that must be paid. My guess is that whatever amount the clerk's office takes in is probably not enough to cover the cost of operations.


Ted Jankowski
Sep 6, 2013

While what you're saying may be true. It still doesn't give the county the right to take those funds out of his budget and use it to balance other areas.

burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013

Even Curtis agrees the Clerk/Register's Office brings in more revenue than the expense it takes to run the office, so that point is not in dispute.


burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013

Maybe or maybe he does not buy into the good old boys network. Do we really want all of our politicians making deals with each other?



burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013


john, you don't seem to want to answer how fees for governmental services should be determined.





John Gleason
Sep 18, 2013

These charges are paid by your Gen Co. operating millage on your estate. Fees for documents should be fees for documents. Don't you read your tax statements??



lifeiswonderful
Sep 6, 2013

0 credibility with the board of commissioners....I would suggest that the board of commissioners leader has 0 credibility with anyone with a brain. Election time is a coming Curtis and you are done. Stick a fork in it.


wayover50
Sep 6, 2013

How about publishing the clause in the legal function description of the BOC where it says they CAN'T move funds from one budget line item to another to balance the general budget. All this outrage directed at a government body - and more specifically a democrat controlled government body - actually doing what is required by state law in not adopting a deficit budget should be applauded, not berated. But, hey, the entitlement mentality is so inbred in this county after decades of "free" government services being provided it stands to reason.


Burtonguy


burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013

Why shouldn't a citizen who is forced to use a government service because that service is not provided elsewhere not expect the price they pay to be for the service they are provided? We need more transparency about where the money we pay actually goes. I don't want a bunch of department heads and the board of commissioners from the same political party getting together over dinner and drinks to decide how they will spend my money.



Ted Jankowski
Sep 6, 2013

Very well written. Wouldn't that be like paying your water bill but the money going to the Sheriffs department. then when the water department doesn't have enough to run it's services, have the board claim they need to raise the fees in the water department? I'm amazed at how few people even understand how government works or how money collected in government is supposed to be spent. Just because the State of Michigan get's away with it doesn't mean our local government should be allowed to.

Ted Jankowski
Sep 6, 2013


Collecting taxes FOR the general fund is not the same as collecting fees for copies of deeds or birth records or marriage licenses. Those fees are in place to cover those services. Not fund the general fund or another department such as water or sheriff etc.


burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013


I read the Bolt v. Lansing case Gleason's lawsuit referenced. I'm not a lawyer, but as I read it, it was a case whether a charge to a taxpayer for stormwater was a tax subject to the Headlee Amendment or a fee. The Appeals Court decided it was a fee and that fee charged must: "In general, a fee is exchanged for a service rendered or a benefit conferred, and there must be some reasonable relationship between the amount of the fee and the value of the service or benefit." It does not seem to me that Gleason can legally charge $25 for a death certificate that costs his office $12.50 to provide because the wife beater booked into jail can't pay his $12.50 booking fee. Curtis might have wished he did not push Gleason before this is over because the interfund transfers the BOC are using do not appear legal.


(Note-Gleason has challenged the commissioners on their setting of high fees for services.)

Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com
Sep 6, 2013

More than one citizen also questioned county commissioners this week about the legality of transferring nearly $80,000 from a spay and neuter account at the Animal Control Department to help balance the general fund budget.


burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013

Curtis has publicly stated the BOC must transfer money from funds that have positive balances to funds that have negative balances to balance the County's budget. It appears that practice might have legal restrictions.


Bill Heatley
Sep 8, 2013


Ron, You heard Pegge, when she said that we either "thought we knew what we were talking about, but didn't or we were lying." You heard that. Records reflect the transfer. The MCL clearly spells out the THREE things the spay/neuter funds are to be used for. It is a violation to transfer that money to the general fund. That money would go a long way towards making Animal Control a true No-Kill Shelter., by getting more spay/neutered animals in to the county.



MonkeyBusiness
Sep 6, 2013


I agree with buronguy. This is a question that needs to be addressed. Jamie Curitis needs to work on his own credibility with commissioners. Going to a court outside of Genesee county is a very good decision being that Judge Fullertions husband use to advise the BOC.


burtonguy
Sep 6, 2013

Gleason and Cherry both bring up valid points for the taxpayer: who is in charge of the money collected from their offices and what should that amount be? Maybe the taxpayer loses when the Democratic office holders work in harmony. The duties--especially collecting and spending taxpayer dollars--should be clearly and explicitly spelled out by state law to protect the taxpayers. I don't want them all sitting in some cozy room figuring it out for themselves.

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djfx
Sep 6, 2013

Sometimes Gleason acts as bad as the former Bogardus....but, Curtis doesn't like playing by the book either. If John is correct about some of the legal issues, then it's time Jamie bucks up and plays by the rules. Should get interesting!


Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com
Sep 6, 2013

I've added a link to the John Gleason-Genesee County lawsuit at the top of this story.
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Keith Francis


Managing Director at HYDRA Professionals LLC

Greater Detroit AreaManagement Consulting

Previous
BBK,
Piston Automotive,
Pine River Plastics


Education
Walsh College



Experience




Managing Director

HYDRA Professionals LLC

2009 – Present (6 years)



Senior Director

BBK

1999 – 2009 (10 years)




Chief Operating Officer

Piston Automotive

1997 – 1999 (2 years)




Chief Financial Officer

Pine River Plastics

1995 – 1997 (2 years)






Partner

Plante & Moran, PLLC

1981 – 1995 (14 years)





Education


Walsh College


Walsh College

Masters, Corporate Finance

1995 – 2000




Wayne State University


Wayne State University

Bachelors, Accounting

1969 – 1971



Groups


Association for Corporate Growth Detroit Chapter
Association for Corporate Growth Detroit Chapter



Restructuring and Turnaround Management
Restructuring and Turnaround Management



Sunrise NETWORKING Group (SNG)
Sunrise NETWORKING Group (SNG)



Plante Moran Alumni
Plante Moran Alumni
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Keith R. Francis Senior Director
Keith is a senior executive with more than 30 years of financial and operations expertise. He has experience as a self-employed turnaround consultant, a Chief Operating Officer, a Chief Financial Officer and a partner in a major public accounting and consulting firm.
Since joining BBK, Keith has managed many engagements for distressed suppliers to automotive OEMs. He has a proven ability to prepare accurate and objective assessments under pressure. In a turnaround, he moves forward quickly to provide initial stability and gain the confidence of all stakeholders.
Keith has participated in successful negotiations to transition a $600 million plastic injection molder with international operations, a $30 million gear manufacturer with operations in the US and Mexico, a $100 million metal stamper, and a $50 million aluminum die caster with operations in the US and Canada.
Professional Experience
Jay Alix & Associates retained Keith as a turnaround consultant following their acquisition of Peregrine, Inc., a $1.2 billion troubled automotive OEM supplier. He served as Interim Controller at the Peregrine Flint plant, a $180 million manufacturer of door and deck-lid hinges and window regulators for twenty OEM assembly plants. Keith handled all plant financial matters, including a product costing analysis, an asset auction and plant closing. Ultimately he assisted in the successful transfer of product lines to other divisions and outside suppliers.
As COO of Piston Automotive LLC, Keith led the operational turnaround of this minority-owned automotive OEM supplier of in-line sequencing and sub-assembly services. He directed four operating units, customer service, human resources, and accounting. During his tenure, Piston went from a 25 percent operating loss to break even in one year. His accomplishments included improving cash availability by 30 percent, directing a product costing analysis and negotiating price increases and accelerated payments with a major OEM, and negotiating loan payment deferrals and higher advance rates with Piston's senior lender.
As Director of Finance and Administration for Pine River Plastics (a privately held tier one supplier of custom plastic injection molded components for the automotive and consumer products markets), Keith implemented activity based costing, launched a cost reduction program, developed a business succession plan, negotiated loan agreements and obtained 50% property tax abatements and personal property tax reductions, resulting in a net present value savings of $500,000.
Keith began his career at Plante & Moran and worked there for 24 years, progressing from staff accountant to audit partner, where he worked directly with owners of automotive manufacturing companies.

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Two of them were interviewed by McClure and Cravens, and Troy resident Keith Francis was selected as the interim finance director/treasurer.
...
Francis, who has been working with Bloomfield Hills for the past week, was a partner at Plante Moran, a member of the private and public sector, and also owns his own firm. He was highly recommended by Pulver of Plante Moran, and will work three days a week until the new position is filled. Francis said his focus is to understand the payroll system, pay the city's taxes and manage monthly reporting.
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New Genesee County controller gets $175,000 annual salary, no benefits
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Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com By Ron Fonger | rfonger1@mlive.com
on May 08, 2013 at 4:00 PM, updated May 08, 2013 at 4:09 PM


Keith Francis

GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- The county's new chief financial officer will earn $175,000 annually but won't receive health care or other standard benefits, the Board of Commissioners agreed today, May 8.

Commissioners voted unanimously to approve the wage and benefit package for Controller Keith Francis, a deal negotiated by Commissioner Mark Young, D-Grand Blanc Twp., and the county's Human Resources Department.

Although he works as an at-will employee, the resolution adopted by the board today sets Francis' salary at $175,000 for the next three years.

The deal makes Francis one of the top-paid employees in county government but does not include life insurance, retirement benefits, medical or dental care.

The resolution gives Francis credit for 80 hours of accrued vacation time, allows him to build up -- after six months -- to a maximum of 300 hours vacation at a rate of 20 hours for every 208 hours of work, and entitles him to a severance package of $43,750 if county commissioners terminate his employment during the next three years.

Commissioners voted last month to hire Francis as county controller.

The former interim finance director/treasurer for the city of Bloomfield Hill has been working as interim controller for $110 per hour after replacing George Martini, who was fired earlier this year and has filed a lawsuit against the county claiming he was wrongfully terminated.

Board Chairman Jamie Curtis said Francis is worth the investment.

"He's already done a phenomenal job," Curtis said. "He brings 40 years of government experience to the table, ,(and) he can reach out and bring in outside resources to help" the county.

Curtis said Francis won't be the county's top-paid employee.

Medical Examiner Dr. Brian Hunter is in that position, earning more than $200,000 annually as of January 2012.
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How does Francis maintain his position as Managing Director of Hydra Professionals and full time job as Controller? How does his expertise as a "turnaround consultant" translate to government?


What role did Francis play in the shutting down of the former Ternstedt (Peregrine).


Bill Wlidern, CO of Hydra, received his masters degree from GMI, now Kettering, and was Kettering Entrepreneur of the year in October 2012.


All news stories of Hydra end with 2012. No updates.


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http://michigan.gov/treasury/0,1607,7-121-1751_31038---,00.html

No matter where you live this site will allow you to access your community audit (schools too).

download the search site. Select the county and document type. Hit the search icon.
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