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munnbreslin
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| Dan it was a blast campaigning with you this summer and i'm sad to see you go. Hope you can come back to Flint in the future and hopefulle see the hard work that our great mayor and hopefully great city council will do. And dont let the flinttalk trolls get you down. Theyre not the engaged ones, theyre the past. The future of flint isnt in these pathetic websites, but in the citizens who get off of their computers and do something. Good luck Dan and try to spread the good word of Flint out there! |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:29 pm |
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actually, this website is 
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Ryan Eashoo
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Thanxs Dan, not all of us are Monday morning quarterbacks! I hope everything goes well for you in Austin, its a great city too..
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Dan Moilanen schreef:
I'm officially leaving this board. I know some of you might be happy, some of you may miss my posts, either way I just can't come to this website and contribute any more for a number of reasons.
The first is that I've moved to Austin, TX because I just recently was hired with a major fortune 500 company (I won't publicly divulge which one due to the fact that I've used my real name on this website, but if you're interested you can send me a private message.). So since I no longer live in Flint, I feel like I can't actively participate in an adequate manner that meets my own desires.
Secondly, I get too depressed when I come here and see that most of you (with a few exceptions) tend to do little for your community other than complain and look for more reasons to complain or place blame. Failing to see the good in any situation will never help the community of Flint. Legitimate change in a community requires you to be proactive. You cannot hide behind anonymity, criticize your public officials, and expect real results. If you want change? Go out there and do something about it. I commend those of you on here who are active within the community (e.g. Dave, Terry, Ryan, etc.) and try to make positive change. Because of the fact that you care about Flint enough to get involved, Flint is better off. But seriously, getting angry about things like revising the seal or trying to re-brand Flint? Maybe Flint needs to be a bit more progressive approach (not in a political sense, but a conceptual sense) when it comes to how outsiders view the city? Flint needs fresh ideas and cost effective new approaches (changing letterheads or envelops is relatively inexpensive when it comes to a budget the size of the City of Flint). But outright rejection of ANY new idea or quickly jumping to conclusions and criticizing the Mayor or anyone else involved is far from productive. Stop being a coward, go to a city council meeting, send an email to the Mayor, go to his open office hours, or do ANYTHING else that actually requires you to contribute to your community. Posting on this message board DOES NOT help your community unless it is actually organizing events, community action, or anything else that has tangible results.
Thirdly, some of you are completely unwilling to listen to reasonable arguments or engage in reasonable discourse. It's not productive, it's childish, and it's frankly not worth my time. I'd much rather spend my time engaging in more entertaining and worthwhile endeavors. Some of you are so far blinded by your own warped view on the world (which has been shaped by rhetoric and propaganda) that you cannot view the world in any sort of objective manner or engage in productive discourse. Again, I'd rather spend my time doing something more productive.
But I mostly wanted to emphasize how depressing this board is... it really makes me glad that I got out of Genesee county. It's filled with the same, close minded, racist, homophobic, and lazy people that destroyed it. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of great individuals in Genesee county who try their hardest to make a difference. I've met a lot of people who are wonderful, community-oriented, selfless individuals who will do anything they can to better peoples' lives around them. But unfortunately, the lazy cynics significantly outnumber these people.
For this reason, I find myself becoming increasingly sad and pessimistic when it comes to the future of Flint. Flint will NEVER change because some of you are unwilling to allow it change. It's always someone else's fault, never your own. Something goes wrong? Blame it on the Mayor. GM leaves? Blame it on China. Gangs take over neighborhoods? Blame it on the welfare system. The previous mayor runs the city into a significant budget deficit and lies about it to get re-elected? You look the other way when a better individual arises and personally attack him because he worked hard and went to school and achieved so much in life.
It's never your fault, it's never your responsibility, and someone else will always mess it up.
This is Flint's problem... backward thinking that is always focused on blame.
You have to look forward, you have to take responsibility, and you have to get involved. You can't expect positive change to come overnight.
All I have to say is give Mayor Walling and other community leaders a chance. The problems in Flint clearly lack easy solutions, and as a result you can't pass judgment in quick, simple way. It takes time and objectivity. Do you think Walling or anyone else is doing a bad job? TALK TO THEM! Walling has open hours for christ sake, and city council has public comments portions of practically every meeting!
On a side note, people who think Dayne is an elitist, stuck up, blind, or unreasonable, clearly haven't met him and spoke with him. Take the time to do so, you'd really recognize that he's a great guy who has great intentions and hopes for the city of Flint.
So with that... I bid you adieu. This is my concession, I've moved onto a new chapter in my life and Flint will always hold a special place in my heart. But I've personally given up. Please take care of it... please change it... I want to continue being proud that I came from a community with so much character, I don't want to have to defend it because of how many cynics live there...
Get off the computer, go to the next council meeting, go to the next open door session with Walling, and get involved. Pro-activity is the ONLY way that Flint will become a better place for you, your family, and your friends to live.
Goodbye.
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Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:32 am |
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ConcernedCitizen
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quote:
munnbreslin schreef:
And dont let the flinttalk trolls get you down. Theyre not the engaged ones, theyre the past. The future of flint isnt in these pathetic websites, but in the citizens who get off of their computers and do something. Good luck Dan and try to spread the good word of Flint out there!
Munnbreslin,
Apparently you are also one of these "Flinttalk trolls." The few people I know on this site actually do get out and do alot in the community. I know I do a lot for my community. That is not to brag, but to make a point. Do I agree with everything I read on this site? No, but I like this site because both sides are brought out and people will bring out points that you won't find on the news or in the paper? |
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Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:46 pm |
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untanglingwebs
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| A Dr. in the eigth ward wants to recall Walling. And yes the other PAC is looking at all corrupt politicians. And there may be a third group. |
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:30 am |
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1pissedoffguy
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| Well I think it maybe a bit too early to be going for a recall for Walling. But I love the fact that some folks are getting fiesty enough to keep reminding these politcos reminded of what they are there for. And I have to say if someone just writes in here , and this all they do, then they are not being really active , But typically people who are observant are often doing other things that arm chair quarerbacking. Too bad we can't be like the ancient Romans who, if a politican was found to be corrupt they would sewn into a sack with a wild animal and tossed into a river. I remember hearing that in THE UNTOUCHABLES movie years ago, that image stuck with me. I am not that old, but damm,the good old days sure sound great don't they? |
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:17 pm |
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Adam
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Interesting.
Rome
failed to prosecute corrupt bureaucrats effectively since the courts showed a strong bias towards the senatorial class. Attempts at reform were unsuccessful, and the Roman statesman Cato the Elder’s sour prediction that foreign conquest would corrupt Rome itself proved all too true. The historian Sallust, writing during the civil wars of the 1st century bc, dated Rome’s corruption to the destruction of Carthage in 146 bc and the absence of any foreign threat. |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:28 am |
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1pissedoffguy
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| WoW! Adam, mean I can't trust Kevin Costner as a source for history? Like I said, I heard it on a movie, didn't say I read it in a history book. Still the idea deserves some looking into. But from what you were saying guess we can gather that corruption should be stopped? And if we need an outsider to be the "boogeyman" our leaders can always can come up with them, like they already do. We need to turn and look around at our folks in power, they are scum , need to question their every move, we can do that and let them get enough so they can eithe explain what they are doing, or make them so tired they want to get out of office. |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:41 am |
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untanglingwebs
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Change cannot come to Flint because the climate of corruption has been in place for so long. How many times have you seen Alex Harris talk about his "Lansing friend" saying Genesee County is one of the states most corrupt counties.
Politicians in Genesee County and in Flint plan political futures long range. Term limits have only hastened the turn around. Deb Cherry wanted the Clerks job, but Mike Carr hasn't stepped down so she is lobbying for the Treasurers job. Ananich is looking to run for the Gonzales state rep.seat now that Gonzales is term limited. Hammel was allegedly slated for the Treasurers job but may not take it.
Loyd and Omar Sims are allegedly being groomed for higher positions. Burton politicians are planning their job recycling efforts for years down the road.
And look at what happens with favored politicians that lose elections or are term limited.THEY GET JOBS IN LANSING! Look at Emerson, Lockwood and Hammon.
Hammon was named in the statement of Rizzo regarding Hammons efforts to stop the inestigation of Rizzo in the phony car theft-chop shop operation. Hammon backdoored the investigation and went straight to the sheriff. Busch was livid when he found out.
Federal grants are given out to poorly functioning nonprofits because this groups have political clout. And the inadequate efforts of these nonprofits put the city in a position to lose money.
Political bickering and inadequate staffing of vital offices puts many Flint projects in limbo. Look at Smith Village,teh Homeownership Zone, and the Youth Build project. Windcliff Village on the eastside stood nearly vacant for years because the city stalled on completing the infrastructure. The property adjacent to the Kearsley golfcourse was sold and building permits were issued when there was no access to water and sewer. And the original developer of this prject had a million dollar quaranteed fee to redevlop the site on ML King north of Dupont. The two projects were linked in the original deal. Thank goodness Kildee killed that deal and Rosewood built the project.
Grreview Manor was abandoned and HUd wanted the city to take it over. HUD held a foreclosure sale in August of 2000 and ahud assumed ownership. HUD renovated 47 of the 84 units and sold the property to Flint for $10 on special warranty deed detailing Flint's obligations regarding the property. Flint never met these obligations and in 2005 HUD made a referral to the Departmental Enforcement Unit.
The Smith Village project was rife with allegations of demand for kickbacks to get work. Cost overruns were not dealt with by the overworked development department that was too small to deal with the large number of projects. Also they had to keep the money moving.
The City Wide Advisory group wanted to keep money flowing to their favorite organizations, despite HUD regulations. Organizations owing taxes and not having the required audits were given money. Individuals with tax liens and organizations with cautionary warnings in their audits were given large amounts of money.
And MSHDA is not without blame. The three units on Delaware financed by MSHDA were so heavily subsidized, that MSHDA refused to build any more lthough five were planned. MSHDA then created an exit strategy to clear the project of any HUD findings. They then allocated funding even though the agency owed nearly $3,000 in taxes on properties they were trying to landbank. The organization did not trust Kildee.
And the saga could go on and on.
Flint is one of the few communities that allocates most of their HUD money to outside agencies. Other communities use more HUD money on infrastructure and vehicles to drive private investment. |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:07 am |
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Adam
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WoW! Adam, mean I can't trust Kevin Costner as a source for history? Like I said, I heard it on a movie, didn't say I read it in a history book. Still the idea deserves some looking into. But from what you were saying guess we can gather that corruption should be stopped? And if we need an outsider to be the "boogeyman" our leaders can always can come up with them, like they already do. We need to turn and look around at our folks in power, they are scum , need to question their every move, we can do that and let them get enough so they can eithe explain what they are doing, or make them so tired they want to get out of office.
I didn't disprove what you said. Towards the end it appears there was a lot of corruption and big government in Rome. In the beginning they may have killed the crooked politicians.
Killing the politicians is a bit extreme but I'm a supporter of extradition. I also wish the military would wake up and do there jobs even if it means removing some of our elected leaders that do not support the constitution. |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:11 am |
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Adam
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untanglingwebs schreef:
Change cannot come to Flint because the climate of corruption has been in place for so long.
Why don't you run for office? |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:32 am |
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1pissedoffguy
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| HAHAHAH,, Like you running for office Adam? I hear you run for office but don't really bust your hump and try to get elected . I have been meaning to ask you about this now Adam, why don't you put some real effort into one of your runs? Spend some money, get more out there, put your butt on the line. But first we have to nail down what you really are politically,, are you a neo con, a conservative or some wannbe between the two camps? Sometimes you sound like a neo con, sometimes you say you like Ron Paul then in the next post you come across like a moderate democrat(if there is such a thing) . I am not really fer sure what Adam is, the big question, does he know? |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:36 pm |
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honestly, i think web is too smart to run for office in flint,however he'd get my vote!  |
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:04 am |
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1pissedoffguy
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| BA. we agree on that, Webs is too smart. Probably not a corrupt scum bag either like about 90% of the pieces of crap we not having sitting their asses in office now. I am stilll pissed off that Walling put that Poplar witch in position, and now her family member is still 2nd ward councilperson ( but then David Davenport isn't exactly too good either) . I used to have a dog who we kept outdoors, he had this five gallon bucket dung part into the ground to keep him from knocking it over we used for his water bowl. Well this dog would go over to and drink and drink, then he would lift his leg and piss into the same bucket. We used to joke that he was recycling his water. Sort of like what people here in this area does though,keep recycling the same self serving assholes into all these different offices. They wear different hats but it is the same the same brains are under those hats. And we haven't got anywhere with this approach, but we keep doing it. Why waste the time voting? |
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:25 pm |
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Dave Starr
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Why waste the time voting?
As long as people don't make intelligent choices when they vote, or don't vote, nothing will change. Who was it that said people get the government they deserve? |
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