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GOOD MORNING FLINT! 1/22/08
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Terry Bankert , http://attorneybankert.com/
Posted first to Flint Talk http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=23383#23383
GLOBAL WARMING IT’S CONTINUING!
Just inconvenient for us, but it may kill our great grandchildren. Is it just their problem? Or is it ours?!(trb)
With all major Democrats and some Republicans promoting a change in policy, ... voters should ask themselves which candidate will most zealously fight global warming.(OWO)
SUMMARY for the chatters (twoTap): Republican plan or lack of, bad! Democratic candidates plans Good!(trb)
Read no further it may hurt your eyes.(trb)
Where is Al Gore when you really need him?(trb)
DEMOCRATS HAVE THE ONLY REAL ANSWERS IN AMERICA (trb)
For their part, the Democratic candidates have not been shy about discussing the issue on the campaign trail. Hillary Clinton says she wants "a new beginning in terms of energy and global warming." John Edwards says "America's got to clean up its act" on climate change. And, like many other candidates and pundits, Barrack Obama talks about "freeing ourselves from dependence on foreign oil." (OWO)
Europe: Climate expert calls for plan to stop Global Warming from preempting the Super Bowl.(Dummies012108)
"It means if you are a company or an enterprise that reduces your greenhouse gas emissions you earn a credit," McCain told a VFW hall in New Hampshire in December. "Then when somebody else starts a business or an enterprise and they are emitting greenhouse gas emissions, they can buy that credit from you and meanwhile there is a gradual reduction of greenhouse gas emissions."(OWO)
John, we are dying! Is your plan enough?(t
rb)
WHY DOES AMERICA NOT HAVE A MEANINGFUL PLAN?(trb)
No cap-and-trade system is currently in effect in the United States -- primarily because such a system is opposed by the Bush administration.(OWO)
THE VOTERS WANT A PLAN?(trb)
"Climate change is a top concern of South Carolina primary voters,"
said Cynthia Powell, a Myrtle Beach resident and undecided voter. "We see a clean energy future in South Carolina as the best way to create jobs and protect the environment."(OWO)
THE DEBATE IS NOW RAGING WORLD WIDE!(trb)
Copenhagen/Washington, 21 Jan. (AKI) - The European Union's chief environment expert, Jacqueline McGlade, said
countries must invest more in the battle to fight climate change
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ATLANTA GA TO BE A SEA PORT! (trb)
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in its Fourth Assessment Report (released in 2007) concludes that the
“warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”
It further reports that the temperature change at the turn of this century is projected to increase by 1.1-6.4 C with a rise in sea level of 18-59 centimeters relative to 1980-1999 levels. (MT012208)
THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT US FROM NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES OR SPILL OVER! (Trb)
McGlade, head of the European Environment Agency (EEA) said Europe needed a
Marshall plan of investment
- up to several percentage points of GDP per year - to reduce vulnerability to climate change. [AI 012208)
"All three of these Democratic candidates are way, way beyond any kind of presidential discourse that we've had on global warming," environmental journalist Mark Hertzgaard told OneWorld. "
All the presidential candidates on the Democratic side recognize that the problem is real, that it requires immediate action
, and that you've got to get to what the science says is necessary -- which is quick, deep cuts [in greenhouse gas emissions] beginning within five years [and] getting all the way to 80-percent cuts by the year 2050."(OWO)
Go team! (Trb)
In an interview with the German news agency Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa), McGlade said
Europe must also lead by example on global warming
, especially in reducing the use of coal and encouraging action in the developing world.[AI 012208)
Do you remember George Bush the soon to be ex president of the United States ever speaking in a meaningful manner about Global Warming?(trb)
TO GEORGE BUSH HERE IS WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS! (Trb)
As previously mentioned, this is caused by the accumulation of greenhouse gases
(GHG)
in the Earth’s atmosphere that is causing sunlight, that is reflected by the Earth’s surface, to be reflected back to Earth causing global warming. The major source of GHG is
carbon dioxide
from the burning of fossil fuels. Because of global warming, the glaciers and ice sheets in the coldest parts of the world are melting, causing the sea levels to rise. The temperature increase also
heats the ocean waters
contributing to the increase in sea levels and the incidence of more powerful typhoons and hurricanes.
The global warming also has caused heat waves, droughts in some areas of the world while other parts of the world are experiencing severe rains and floods
. (MT012208)
It affects the US also(TRB)
With many miles of tidal shoreline and an economy that depends heavily on tourism and agriculture, South Carolina is particularly vulnerable to the impacts of climate change, said the Carolina Climate Network in a statement Sunday, arguing that investments in renewable energy technologies like wind, solar, and biomass can create more jobs than "a highly automated plant burning dirty imported fuel."(OWO)
OUR BIGGEST ALLIES THINK THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE QUEEN MUM! (Trb)
Britain endorses Indias stand on climate change DH News Service, New Delhi: India's persistent efforts to use per capita emission as the basis of all future global climate change negotiations have been endorsed by the UK. [DH 012208)
Speaking ahead of the EU's planned release this week of what she called a
"very ambitious climate change and energy package",
McGlade said she wanted to ensure that Europe was both united in its approach to the environment and "doing its utmost" in the bloc's own environmental policies.[AI 012208)
We are all in this together, what is our policy? Ask your congressman.(trb)
As head of the EEA which services the EU's 27 members as well as 10 other European countries, McGlade oversees Europe's environmental information system - a think-tank that studies economic, social and scientific aspects of global warming, air pollution, and other issues.[AI 012208)
Sorry we don’t use that think tank stuff, its for whimps.(trb)
She said since Europe was already falling short of its robust targets to reduce carbon emissions and the EU Commission's package would move to consolidate the targets and a future approach to climate change.[AI 012208)
So much for planning. GW (global warming) needs to be repackaged. Like GW the ultimate weapon of mass destruction! Yep that will get their attention.(trb)
BRITNY SPEARS IS PISSED OFF she vacations in the Philippines with each husband, what will she do next.(Dummies012108)
The Philippines is exposed to the effects of
super typhoons,
which are expected to become even more powerful in the coming years as a result of the warmer ocean water. The increase in sea levels will endanger the inhabitants of coastal towns causing massive dislocation, migration, loss of livelihood, reduction in agricultural and fisheries outputs, and health problems. (MT012208)
GROUND THE PLANES? (Trb)
McGlade told dpa that a major advance had been made with the agreement in December to include aviation emissions in the EU's carbon trading scheme.[AI 012208)
PARK THE CARS! (TRB)
But there was a disagreement, especially in Germany, over the commission's recent approval of strict limits on
automotive carbon dioxide
emissions. [AI 012208)
More negotiation needed! With whom, the devil? (Trb)
After his meeting with the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the visiting UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown said per capita emission rates was an “important and equitable principle”, which should be “seriously considered” in global climate change negotiation.[DH 012208)
Small economic interest are bent on killing us.(trb)
McGlade said she was also bracing for a fight within Europe on coal - an issue which is also important with respect to China and India and their emissions reductions.[AI 012208)
Some are fighting back.(trb)
"Europe must lead by example, with China and India" she said.[AI 012208)
However, she said the EU's track record on the environment had been less than illustrious. [AI 012208)
"While at the same time wanting to meet very ambitious targets, we have the UK announcing a whole new generation of coal plants," said McGlade, a former environmental advisor to the British government.[AI 012208)
"When confronted with the package ... countries like Poland and Germany must be seriously rethinking what that means if they are going to try to meet these much more aggressive emission targets." [AI 012208)
"Ultimately, we will have to
rethink the use of coal,"
McGlade said. [AI 012208)
Europe should need little convincing of the threats posed by global warming. The 2003 European heat wave was blamed for 35,000 deaths. Greece and Britain witnessed extreme fires and floods just this summer that cost billions of dollars. [AI 012208)
McGlade proposed a
"Marshall Plan"
for Europe to adapt to climate change and reconstruct itself to "reduce vulnerability for the coming century." [AI 012208)
India is trying.(trb)
Countering intense pressure from the USA and other European nations on cutting down of green houses gases like carbon dioxide and methane that warm up the planet, Dr Singh proposed to use per capita emission as the basis for climate change negotiation. While in absolute terms, India is the world’s fourth largest emitter after USA, EU and China, the per capita analysis makes it aptly clear that India is way behind the USA or EU on emission.[DH 012208)
THE WATER WILL RISE AND EGGS WILL COOK ON THE SIDE WALKS. (Trb)
"It's gradually dawning on everyone that it's no good just building a flood defense a few feet higher," she said. "It's no good building new houses in areas where there will be drought." The EU expert said she was optimistic that adaptation and mitigation were within reach, because the international will to do so was strong. [AI 012208)
International investors, for example, were increasingly insisting that companies calculate their carbon footprint and reduce emissions. Venture capital was also flowing into green technology. However, she said none of the steps would come cheap. Even more expensive than mitigation are the adaptive measures - such as rethinking the location of industrial and maritime shipping and building up fire and flood defenses. [AI 012208)
Former World Bank chief economist, Nicholas Stern, said inaction could also cost up to 5 percent of GDP in terms of social and infrastructure costs.[AI 012208)
"While Kyoto has been discussed (in the past) in terms of burden sharing, the terminology has now shifted to benefit sharing," McGlade said. [AI 012208)
DID YOU KNOW! (Trb)
India’s per capita carbon dioxide emission is 20 times less than that of the USA and almost 10 times less than European Union. [DH 012208)
The UK per capita carbon dioxide production is 9.2 tonnes whereas for India, the figure stands at mere 1.1 ton. When Dr Singh proposed the formula at Heiligendamn, the only support he received was from the German chancellor Angela Merkel. [DH 012208)
The UK is the second influential nation that rallied behind New Delhi.[DH 012208)
Responding to technology transfer demands from India, the UK has agreed to work together to find out the barriers preventing transfer of low carbon technologies from the UK to India.[DH 012208)
She insisted it was up to Europe to present a common front in 2009 when the international community is due to meet in Copenhagen to mold environmental policies for the time after the 2012 expiry of the Kyoto Protocol. [AI 012208)
CARL ROVE SAYS IF A WHIMP LIKE MANILA HAS A PLAN WHY DON’T WE!(Dummies012108)
WHAT CAN WE DO, WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!! (trb)
What measures should we take? We have to do our share in reducing carbon dioxide emissions by “cleaning-up” our factories and transportation system. The smoke-belching campaign of government has not been found effective with many vehicles still plying our streets emitting a lot of black smoke. We also have to adopt power-generation technologies that do not add to GHG accumulation like solar, wind, hydro power and geothermal. (MT012208)
We may have to require owners or designers of new buildings and factories to use self-generated power that does not use fossil fuels, like solar panels and wind turbines as part of their total power requirement. Owners of old buildings and factories may have to retrofit their electrical and power systems so that said systems become more power-efficient. We have to make efficient use of power and energy in our homes, offices and everywhere. We should encourage people to use our mass-transit system or have car pools and to use fuel-efficient vehicles. (MT012208)
We need to protect our remaining forests that help in absorbing part of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. CO2 has an estimated atmospheric lifetime of 50 to 200 years. We should also mobilize people to plant trees to create additional capacities for CO2 absorption. We should also control population growth. A bigger population will require more houses, buildings, food, power usage, etc. which directly contribute to GHG accumulation. (MT012208)
"It's all a matter of degrees," Nayak told OneWorld. "The differences between the Democrats and most of the Republicans is really night and day. That's something any voter, no matter how engaged, will get."
Nayak said the leading Democrats' main difference on environmental policy is one of style. But, he said, when it comes to combating global warming that's not insignificant. (OWO)
"The one part of the story that hasn't gotten enough scrutiny is how effectively and how quickly can the next president bring the world together," he said. "This is going to need to be a massive international effort, and the next president will have to lead the way." (OWO)
Posted here by
Terry Bankert
http://attorneybankert.com/
I hope the silly stuff did not detract from the message: We need a plan, now!
–where did this stuff come from--
[AI 012208)
Adnkronos International http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1793823761
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Decann Herald
01/22/08
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Jan222008/national2008012247958.asp
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The Manila Times 01/22/08
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/jan/22/yehey/business/20080122bus9.html
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Snappy little moronic comments from the intellectuals of mid Michgian
MDEAD.DUMB @ BOOTHIES
Of course these site , MDEAD , quotations are not true, just here to keep attention, but you knew that?
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http://attorneybankert.com/
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Aaron Glantz,
OneWorld US Mon Jan 21, 5:26 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/oneworld/20080121/wl_oneworld/45361570621200957996
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also posted to Flint Citizen,Good Morning Flint, Good Morning Michgian Craigs list, Face Book, My Space,tried TV 12, still MDEAD atMLIVE you try! feel free to send to your friends
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And the beat goes on. I guess your point is that no one really knows. But, the question has created a gabillion jobs over the years. Scientists, car designers, etc. More than 50 years ago, I shuddered as I watched the 5th worst tornado in modern history crawl across the Beecher sky. It was the first time I heard about global warming. But oil was cheap. Gas was 15 cents a gallon and I was a teen with a car. I was more worried about the hundreds of A-bombs, the soviet union had pointed at us. Now I'm old and I still don't know for sure. They tell us that the oil is running low and I no longer drive.
I have no clue as to what the answer is but I am praying for alternatives to current fuel because I am now on a fixed income and am getting closer to choosing heat or food. The carbon spewing cars will be around for sometime because they are the only thing the poor folks can afford.
The one thing I do believe is that this like every other scare the world has faced will in time be solved. Until we know for sure, it certainly doesn't hurt to recycle, conserve fuel and pray. |
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Until we know for sure, it certainly doesn't hurt to recycle, conserve fuel and pray
I agree with that.
On a lighter note I myself instead of hearing the candidates respond to the unproven theory of man made global warming would much rather have them answer a proven and real threat. "If elected how far are you willing to go to insure America does not again become the victim of the Islamic Jihadist crazys". A response like this might even get us rightwing whackos to consider supporting one of them.
"Dear Osama, Or whom ever the latest nutcase is.
Kindest regards to you and yours.
Cutting right to the chase. The next time you and/or your henchmen carry out a scheme designed to kill citizens of the United States on a grand scale, or to destroy items vital to our economy, our response will be exactly as follows, with no room for negotiation.
1. We will scatter leaflets over Mecca, warning those at that location that all should evacuate within 24 hours. Totally. If anyone remains, they do so at their risk.
2. Following the 24 hours's notice, a single stealth bomber will fly over Mecca, and drop a single bomb. It will be a MOAB, often nicknamed the "Mother of all bombs." It will totally destroy Mecca. You will no longer have to face Mecca to pray, because it will not be there any more.
This is a simple thing, Osama. Cause and effect. You destroy. We obliterate.
Your choice. Think on it.
Again, kindest regards to you and yours.
Sincerely,
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President of the United States"
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half the Country isn't even paying taxes yet they can still receive a "refund" of my money that I did pay in. Who came up with that plan??
AZ SHERIFF: 'OUR OWN GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME OUR ENEMY' |
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Never happen. HRH, Queen Hillary I, will send a letter of apology to Osama for the US offending him, along with several billion in aid. You are aware, aren't you, that everything that's wrong in the world is our fault?
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improve it's foriegn policy. once america re-establishes herself
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GOOD MORNING FLINT!
01/26/08
A somewhat Dailey blog by
Terry Bankert
http://attorneybankert.com/
President Bush wants Congress to broaden the government's powers to eavesdrop on private conversations without court approval. VOA White House Correspondent Scott Stearns reports, a controversial public surveillance law is set to expire February 1.(SR)
President Bush says the government's ability to listen-in on telephone calls is critical to fighting terror. (SR)
—SUMMARY–
Wire tapping bad, terrorist bad, wire tapping needed, oversight needed, Bush is wrong to not advocate stronger oversight of the wire tapping ability.(trb)
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As much as I instinctively oppose this I have to agree.(trb)
"One of the most important tools is to be able to figure out the intentions of an enemy that still wants to do us harm," he said. "If they are making calls into America, we need to know why they are calling, what they are thinking, and what they are planning."(SR)
We have to recognize how people communicate. Much communication occurs on the phone and the internet. Name a person who does not have a cell phone or an emaill address.(trb)
U.S. intelligence agents currently monitor international phone calls between people in the United States and suspected terrorists under a law known as the Protect America Act. That law expires next Friday, but President Bush says the threat to America will not.(SR)
We need a full review by congress with a focus on constitutional safeguards and then continuation of the prodigy of this act.(trb)
He wants legislation that permanently extends that authority, grants broader powers to wiretap without court approval and gives legal immunity to telephone companies that have helped the government monitor communications.(SR)
Extending the authority is reasonable and should be done. As authority is broadened with less incremental court review, that review must become more mandatory and periodic and deeper. The private sector should get no immunity. Their own sense of self preservation will force their questions into court which will protect us all. I do not want government walking hand in hand with the private sector when my rights to privacy are at stake. (trb)
"It will maintain the vital flow of intelligence on terrorist threats," he added. "It will protect the privacy of Americans while making sure we do not extend those same protections to terrorists overseas. It will provide liability protection to companies now facing billions of dollars in lawsuits only because they are believed to have assisted the efforts to defend our nation following the 9/11 attacks."(SR)
All I ask is that Congress give this a full and meaningful debate as to the adequacy of the protections. The results of the lawsuits will make for a better America. Corporate American was took quick to violate our privacy rights. We are not a fascist society, they are accountable.(trb)
The president told a meeting of House Republicans in the state of West Virginia that the government's ability to respond quickly to new threats will be weakened if the law is not renewed in time.(SR)
GW cries wolf too often.(trb)
Critics say more oversight is needed to protect the privacy rights of Americans. Opposition Democrats say if the government wants to monitor communications between suspected terrorists abroad and people in the United States, it should get approval from a secret court established under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).(SR)
We already have the FISA that reports to a closed congressional committee. Its all that we can reasonably do. Lets strengthen FISA.(trb)
North Dakota Democratic Senator Byron Dorgan says President Bush is politicizing an issue that ought to be about protecting the nation as well as its civil liberties (SR).
"We thought we had done that by putting together the FISA court," he said. "We thought we had done that by establishing a procedure that needed to be followed. We now understand that the president with his lawyers say those laws don't matter. There is in the Constitution, they say, something about the powers of the Commander-in-Chief, and he can do whatever he wants. That is a pretty dangerous interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. We debate this in so much ignorance, because almost no one knows what this administration has done."(SR)
After months of resistance, the White House agreed Thursday to give Congress access to internal documents on the wiretapping program and the legal basis for its establishment.(SR)
Please read the previous sentence. Who does Bush think he is!(trb)
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My approach here is to simply take an article ( I prefer editorials) and turn it into a conversation, here a blog conversation. My purpose is to learn my own position and lay it out. In the process I learn. For the reader an opportunity to reflect on their own interpretation of information given to us by the media. I do not think we can uncritically accept unchallenged what the commercial media feeds us any longer. I do not think I do this particularly well, but I am doing it. (Trb)
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http://attorneybankert.com/
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http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-01-25-voa47.cfm
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GOOD MORNING FLINT!
BY Terry Bankert
01/27/08
http://attorneybankert.com/
Posted also to Flint Talk
http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=23607#23607
( and also posted craigs list,My Space, Face Book, Flint Internet Citizen, Good Morning Flint Blog ,others but not Flint Town Talk)
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A BLACK MAN MAY BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
HOW FAR WE HAVE COME.(TRB)
Strong black vote helps Obama in South Carolina [WJRT12012608)
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- (01/26/0 --Barack Obama has routed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the racially-charged South Carolina Democratic primary Saturday night, regaining campaign momentum in the prelude to a Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 Democratic National Convention delegates. [WJRT12012608)
This presidential primary system, by the National Convention the impossible will have happened in American. A woman and an African American will accept the nomination for either President of the United States or for Vice President. We may very well have both of them on the ticket. (Trb)
Former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina is running third, a sharp setback in the state where he was born and scored a primary victory in his first presidential campaign four years ago.[WJRT12012608)
We do not need a hair cut and a suit. We need leaders, (trb)
About half the voters were black, according to polling place interviews, and four out of five of them supported Obama. Black women turned out in particularly large numbers. Clinton and Edwards each won roughly 40 percent of the white vote, with about 25 percent going to Obama.[WJRT12012608)
Why not,why not black women supporting a black family man, why not a community throwing behind its own. This is the way it has been for 150 years or more in America. Why not Obama.(trb)
The victory was Obama's first since he won the kick-off Iowa caucuses. Clinton scored an upset in the New Hampshire primary a few days later. They split the Nevada caucuses, she winning the turnout race, he gaining a one-delegate margin.[WJRT12012608)
In an historic race, she hopes to become the first woman to occupy the White House, and Obama is the strongest black contender in history.[WJRT12012608)
The South Carolina primary marked the end of the first phase of the campaign for the Democratic nomination, a series of single-state contests that winnowed the field, conferred co-front-runner status on Clinton and Obama but had relatively few delegates at stake. [WJRT12012608)
Get involved in this presidential contest. The result will change our world. (Trb)
That all changes in 10 days' time, when New York,Illinois and California are among the 15 states holding primaries in a virtual nationwide primary. Another seven states and American Samoa will hold Democratic caucuses on the same day. [WJRT12012608)
Your grand kids will ask you if you were involved in this election. Get ready to tell them yes.
(Trb)
Posted here by Terry Bankert
http://attorneybankert.com/
This is my somewhat Dailey Blog. I use the technique of having a conversation with a news article from local or other media. I posted on the TV 12 web site. I suggest you do that also. TV 12 has the best internet information and access in the Flint Area. I just finished my formal training as a mediator. I am now a peacekeeper actively engaged in alternative dispute resolution. The theory is Keep it out of court!
Call if I can help 810-235-1970
–where did this stuff come from--
[WJRT12012608)
WJRT TV 12 ABC Flint Mi 01/26/08
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/politics&id=5916945
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Other than race and gender whats the difference between Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton since they are both liberal lawyers and socialists? 
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Your grand kids will ask you if you were involved in this election.
Why in the world would you think that????
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What ?? the first 8 years didnt count??
By FRANK RICH
Published: January 27, 2008
IN the wake of George W. Bush, even a miracle might not be enough for the Republicans to hold on to the White House in 2008. But what about two miracles? The new year’s twin resurrections of Bill Clinton and John McCain, should they not evaporate, at last give the G.O.P. a highly plausible route to victory.
Amazingly, neither party seems to fully recognize the contours of the road map. In the Democrats’ case, the full-throttle emergence of Billary, the joint Clinton candidacy, is measured mainly within the narrow confines of the short-term horse race: Do Bill Clinton’s red-faced eruptions and fact-challenged rants enhance or diminish his wife as a woman and a candidate?
Absent from this debate is any sober recognition that a Hillary Clinton nomination, if it happens, will send the Democrats into the general election with a new and huge peril that may well dwarf the current wars over race, gender and who said what about Ronald Reagan.
What has gone unspoken is this: Up until this moment, Hillary has successfully deflected rough questions about Bill by saying, “I’m running on my own” or, as she snapped at Barack Obama in the last debate, “Well, I’m here; he’s not.” This sleight of hand became officially inoperative once her husband became a co-candidate, even to the point of taking over entirely when she vacated South Carolina last week. With “two for the price of one” back as the unabashed modus operandi, both Clintons are in play.
For the Republicans, that means not just a double dose of the one steroid, Clinton hatred, that might yet restore their party’s unity but also two fat targets. Mrs. Clinton repeatedly talks of how she’s been “vetted” and that “there are no surprises” left to be mined by her opponents. On the “Today” show Friday, she joked that the Republican attacks “are just so old.” So far. Now that Mr. Clinton is ubiquitous, not only is his past back on the table but his post-presidency must be vetted as well. To get a taste of what surprises may be in store, you need merely revisit the Bill Clinton questions that Hillary Clinton has avoided to date.
Asked by Tim Russert at a September debate whether the Clinton presidential library and foundation would disclose the identities of its donors during the campaign, Mrs. Clinton said it wasn’t up to her. “What’s your recommendation?” Mr. Russert countered. Mrs. Clinton replied: “Well, I don’t talk about my private conversations with my husband, but I’m sure he’d be happy to consider that.”
Not so happy, as it turns out. The names still have not been made public.
Just before the holidays, investigative reporters at both The Washington Post and The New York Times tried to find out why, with no help from the Clintons. The Post uncovered a plethora of foreign contributors, led by Saudi Arabia. The Times found an overlap between library benefactors and Hillary Clinton campaign donors, some of whom might have an agenda with a new Clinton administration. (Much as one early library supporter, Marc Rich’s ex-wife, Denise, had an agenda with the last one.) “The vast scale of these secret fund-raising operations presents enormous opportunities for abuse,” said Representative Henry Waxman, the California Democrat whose legislation to force disclosure passed overwhelmingly in the House but remains stalled in the Senate.
The Post and Times reporters couldn’t unlock all the secrets. The unanswered questions could keep them and their competitors busy until Nov. 4. Mr. Clinton’s increased centrality to the campaign will also give The Wall Street Journal a greater news peg to continue its reportorial forays into the unraveling financial partnership between Mr. Clinton and the swashbuckling billionaire Ron Burkle.
At “Little Rock’s Fort Knox,” as the Clinton library has been nicknamed by frustrated researchers, it’s not merely the heavy-hitting contributors who are under wraps. Even by the glacial processing standards of the National Archives, the Clintons’ White House papers have emerged slowly, in part because Bill Clinton exercised his right to insist that all communications between him and his wife be “considered for withholding” until 2012.
When Mrs. Clinton was asked by Mr. Russert at an October debate if she would lift that restriction, she again escaped by passing the buck to her husband: “Well, that’s not my decision to make.” Well, if her candidacy is to be as completely vetted as she guarantees, the time for the other half of Billary to make that decision is here.
The credibility of a major Clinton campaign plank, health care, depends on it. In that same debate, Mrs. Clinton told Mr. Russert that “all of the records, as far as I know, about what we did with health care” are “already available.” As Michael Isikoff of Newsweek reported weeks later, this is a bit off; he found that 3,022,030 health care documents were still held hostage. Whatever the pace of the processing, the gatekeeper charged with approving each document’s release is the longtime Clinton loyalist Bruce Lindsey.
People don’t change. Bill Clinton, having always lived on the edge, is back on the precipice. When he repeatedly complains that the press has given Mr. Obama a free ride and over-investigated the Clintons, he seems to be tempting the fates, given all the reporting still to be done on his post-presidential business. When he says, as he did on Monday, that “whatever I do should be totally transparent,” it’s almost as if he’s setting himself up for a fall. There’s little more transparency at “Little Rock’s Fort Knox” than there is at Giuliani Partners.
“The Republicans are not going to have any compunctions about asking anybody anything,” Mrs. Clinton lectured Mr. Obama. Maybe so, but Republicans are smart enough not to start asking until after she has secured the nomination.
Not all Republicans are smart enough, however, to recognize the value of John McCain should Mrs. Clinton emerge as the nominee. He’s a bazooka aimed at most every rationale she’s offered for her candidacy.
In a McCain vs. Billary race, the Democrats will sacrifice the most highly desired commodity by the entire electorate, change; the party will be mired in déjà 1990s all over again. Mrs. Clinton’s spiel about being “tested” by her “35 years of experience” won’t fly either. The moment she attempts it, Mr. McCain will run an ad about how he was being tested when those 35 years began, in 1973. It was that spring when he emerged from five-plus years of incarceration at the Hanoi Hilton while Billary was still bivouacked at Yale Law School. And can Mrs. Clinton presume to sell herself as best equipped to be commander in chief “on Day One” when opposing an actual commander and war hero? I don’t think so.
Foreign policy issue No. 1, withdrawal from Iraq, should be a slam-dunk for any Democrat. Even the audience at Thursday’s G.O.P. debate in Boca Raton cheered Ron Paul’s antiwar sentiments. But Mrs. Clinton’s case is undermined by her record. She voted for the war, just as Mr. McCain did, in 2002 and was still defending it in February 2005, when she announced from the Green Zone that much of Iraq was “functioning quite well. ” Only in November 2005 did she express the serious misgivings long pervasive in her own party. When Mr. McCain accuses her of now advocating “surrender” out of political expediency, her flip-flopping will back him up.
Billary can’t even run against the vast right-wing conspiracy if Mr. McCain is the opponent. Rush Limbaugh and Tom DeLay hate Mr. McCain as much as they hate the Clintons. And they hate him for the same reasons Mr. McCain wins over independents and occasional Democrats: his sporadic (and often mild) departures from conservative orthodoxy on immigration and campaign finance reform, torture, tax cuts, climate change and the godliness of Pat Robertson. Since Mr. McCain doesn’t kick reporters like dogs, as the Clintons do, he will no doubt continue to enjoy an advantage, however unfair, with the press pack on the Straight Talk Express.
Even so, Mr. McCain hasn’t yet won a clear majority of Republican voters in any G.O.P. contest. He’s depended on the kindness of independent voters. Tuesday’s Florida primary, which is open exclusively to Republicans, is his crucial test. If he fails, his party remains in chaos and Mitt Romney could still inherit the earth.
That would be a miracle for the Democrats, but they can hardly count on it. If Mr. Obama has not met an unexpected Waterloo in South Carolina — this column went to press before Saturday’s vote — the party needs him to stop whining about the Clintons’ attacks, regain his wit and return to playing offense. Unlike Mrs. Clinton, he would unambiguously represent change in a race with any Republican. If he vanquishes Billary, he’ll have an even stronger argument to take into battle against a warrior like Mr. McCain.
If Mr. Obama doesn’t fight, no one else will. Few national Democratic leaders have the courage to stand up to the Clintons. Even in defeat, Mr. Obama may at least help wake up a party slipping into denial. Any Democrat who seriously thinks that Bill will fade away if Hillary wins the nomination — let alone that the Clintons will escape being fully vetted — is a Democrat who, as the man said, believes in fairy tales. |
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half the Country isn't even paying taxes yet they can still receive a "refund" of my money that I did pay in. Who came up with that plan??
AZ SHERIFF: 'OUR OWN GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME OUR ENEMY' |
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First Two I want to thank you for raising some very serious points. Lets restate your position.
[quote="twotap"]Other than race and gender whats the difference between Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton since they are both liberal lawyers and socialists?
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Your grand kids will ask you if you were involved in this election.
Why in the world would you think that????
I think that is your position. Now mine.
You poisition is your right. My position is different. Not necesarily better, just mine.
This is a classic struggle for change. The Republican domination has run its circle. Our country is in a depression with a war on two fronts . Exactly when our country has been dominated by the concerns for commerce our economy has collapsed.
George Bush, Cheney, the Republicans in Congress and the party as a whole are no better than the fascists of Italy and the malice of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin.
When my grand children ask me; where was I in 2008 in the battle between good and evil?
I will answer I worked for and voted for good.
We will replace the ultimate evil with a democratic administration that will serve all of us regardless of social status ,race and creed.
It does appear there is a distance between our positions. We can agree to disagree.
Thank You.
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Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:19 am |
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[quote]It does appear there is a distance between our positions. We can agree to disagree.[/quote
That we do, but in a civilized way.  |
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half the Country isn't even paying taxes yet they can still receive a "refund" of my money that I did pay in. Who came up with that plan??
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Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:26 am |
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| Every candidate is yelling about change, BUT they give no details of what they would change. Are they afraid we wouldn't like the changes they want to make? |
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Divorce with Dignity. Mediation allows privacy, fairness and respect!
By Terry Bankert 01/29/08
http://attorneybankert.com/index.php
First Posted to Flint Talk
http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=23730#23730
[posted also to Google blog Good Morning Flint, Flint Citizen,Craigs list,Face Book and My Space, feel free to repost]
Last week I began and completed a 40 hr hands on mediation training. there are 2 small steps to go and I will qualify for court ordered mediation. My objective is to grow family and community dispute mediation as a significant portion of my law practice and community involvement. So yes the following does look a little like advertising.
I believe if you talk the talk you must walk the walk. Mediation is the foundation for the new kinder gentler, fairer Terry Bankert. Stay tuned.
So let me begin.
To legally dissolve a marriage, a lawsuit must be filed, but it is no longer necessary to follow the traditional path of litigation to work out the terms of the divorce. Today many couples are turning to mediation to resolve their disputes and negotiate the terms of their divorce.
I have been involved in community mediation since 1987 during my stewardship of the Flint Ombudsman office. Mediation builds for the future not tear down because of the past. Mediation is a process in which an impartial third-party mediator facilitates the resolution of a dispute by promoting voluntary agreement by the parties.
The mediator facilitates communications, promotes understanding, focuses the parties on their interests, and seeks creative problem solving to enable the parties to reach their own agreement. The mediators can guide you to settlement, prepare the paper work , start to finish, allowing your family to walk with dignity as its members embark on new paths.
Goals of Divorce Mediation
Whether divorce mediation is agreed to voluntarily by the parties, or is court-referred, the goals of the divorce mediation process are to:
Create an equitable, legally sound, and mutually acceptable divorce agreement;
Avoid the expense and trauma that often accompany litigation; and
Minimize hostility and post-dissolution controversy.
Why Divorce Mediation?
As the number of divorces has increased, divorcing couples have frequently become frustrated with the humiliation ,excessive costs and delays associated with an overburdened, adversarial litigation system, and have sought ways to play a greater role in determining the details of their divorces. Likewise, the court system has recognized the importance of developing methods of handling disputes outside of the courtroom, and so court-related mediation programs have increased in popularity around the country.
Today, mediation, either voluntary or court mandated, is the predominant form of alternative dispute resolution for divorcing couples.
Divorce Mediation: Advantages
Mediation is a forum in which a neutral mediator facilitates communication between parties to promote reconciliation, understanding, and settlement. Mediation is particularly suited to divorces and other family law proceedings because there is likely to be a continuing relationship between the parties, especially if minor children are involved. Many divorcing couples find mediation allows them to avoid the high financial and emotional costs of a litigated divorce. Because settlement is generally quicker, costs are reduced.
Mediation also allows couples to avoid the risks of trial, protects confidentiality, and decreases stressful conflict. Mediation may also protect the children of a marriage from the pain of parental conflict. Because the parties work to create their own agreements, couples who mediate their divorce settlement often find greater satisfaction than those who go to trial. Moreover, the couples learn skills to help them resolve future conflicts.
The Divorce Mediation Process
Mediation preparation is often limited, as there is no formal discovery. Frequently, mediation begins with a "general caucus" where the parties and the mediator meet in the same room. The mediator establishes the ground rules in an "agreement to mediate." In court-mandated mediation, the court order will often contain or refer to the "rules of mediation."
One of the most important mediation rules is the requirement for confidentiality. Typically, all matters disclosed or occurring during mediation, and any record made during the procedure, are confidential and generally may not be disclosed to anyone unless the parties agree to the disclosure.
The parties in a mediation are not required to reach an agreement, and sometimes they do not. Whether the case settles or reaches an impasse, the mediator usually meets with the parties together at the end of the session. If the case has neither settled nor reached an impasse, the mediator will likely encourage the parties to attend another mediation session. If the case does settle, the mediator will urge the parties to sign a settlement to memorialize the agreement. Generally, there is no record of the mediation session, and the only document produced is the settlement (or mediation) agreement. My office will prepare all documents necessary to cause entry of your court judgement of divorce.
If settlement is not reached the parties may decide to litigate.
Terry Bankert P.C. 235-1970 or through http://attorneybankert.com/
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