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	<title>Open chat :: RE: Fire at Michael Lynn Lighting</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1036&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Demeralda&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:38 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;What's wrong with Win's?
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They have the coolest stuff.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Were we better off under King George?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=830&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;andi03&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:52 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I'd have to agree with one of the posters on the youtube.com original site......told in a very condescending tone......but informational....
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Were we better off under King George?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=158&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:47 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;quote:&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mellow D schreef: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Yes, of course. Sometimes, economists fall so in love with those rules that they imagine that the science of economics is a natural science, like the law of gravity, and that any regulation is like messing with physics. They get so tied up in trying to maintain the &quot;free market' that they forget that the reason that man created those rules in the first place was to get to the greater good for man. Experiments in laissez faire have &lt;a href=&quot;http://dollarsandsense.org/archives/2004/0904cypher.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;not seen the success Milton had hoped for.&lt;/a&gt;
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I agree with you that &quot;free markets&quot; are a great way to sell iPods, Egyptian cotton sheets, Mr. Coffee machines. But I question whether the &quot;free market&quot; is the best way to &lt;a href=&quot;http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:_HcTb2f1ix4J:oversight.house.gov/documents/20040629104520-07691.pdf+cost+of+medication+animals+humans&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ct=clnk&amp;amp;cd=6&amp;amp;gl=us&amp;amp;client=firefox-a&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;hawk cancer meds &lt;/a&gt;(don't know about you, but I'd pay pretty near anything to get rid of cancer if I had it), to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_credit&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;clean up the environment&lt;/a&gt;, or to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.womenwork.org/policy/factequalpay.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;determine the value of work&lt;/a&gt;. 
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I'd prefer that we put our thought more directly in the good of man, instead of continuing our knee-jerk reaction of trying to maneuver our way to the greater good  indirectly through the market. 
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And I prefer to have my philosophical arguments of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;positive liberty&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;negative liberty&lt;/a&gt; at the Torch over a burger and beer.&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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Economics is pretty pure but it's extremely complicated because totally free unadulterated markets don't really exist in America. I'm not a master economist but with massive U.S. anti free market initiatives a Chilean free market could be overpowered. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0506-09.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0506-09.htm&lt;/a&gt; 
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You don't think cancer patients should have access to cheaper drugs? Or alternative drugs they want. The AMA &amp;amp; FDA and drug industry, and trial lawyers help keep affordable drugs off the market. With the high cost of taxation factored in the ipods etc might be able to be discounted 50% is we had a smaller government. 
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I'd also prefer that we put our thought more directly in the good of the common man and greatly reduce government interference. 
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I think we need more liberties. It's simply a questions of which ones.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Political advice</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32715#32715</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1036&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Demeralda&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:43 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Haha Kevin, that's evil AND funny.  Sounds like good advice to me.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Political advice</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1151&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Kevin McKague&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:35 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;start a blog, go to blogger.com, it is an easy process.
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Don't use your real name when registering.  Scan the document, and post it on your new blog.  Also type out a transcript of the letter, so search engines can find it easier.
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Create a new e-mail address that doesn't use your own name, and e-mail a link to the new blog with the embarrassing letter to everybody you know, including Tony Dearing, the editor of the Flint Journal.
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&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:TDearing@flintjournal.com&quot;&gt;TDearing@flintjournal.com&lt;/a&gt;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Welfare for the Rich</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32713#32713</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1556&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Miscreant&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:26 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;That's really the Unabomber's manifesto?  Scary, I find myself agreeing with a lot of it.
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Instead of bombing something, though, I think I'll just go get myself bombed on some beer.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Political advice</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32712#32712</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1556&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Miscreant&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:23 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;That's the beauty of this situation.  The letter was written to party #1, who copied it and distributed it to about 12 others... one of these 12 is the one giving it to me.  It was an &quot;official&quot; letter from the prosecutor's office, so I'm thinking it doesn't jeopardize anyone involved.
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I'm going to scan it and put it on here, along with the supporting Flint Journal article that gives it context.  I think it's REALLY damning of Busch, but maybe that's just me.
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	<title>Open chat :: RE: Sip and Savor Friday August 1st</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32711#32711</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1036&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Demeralda&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:20 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Oh hell yeah, I'll go to that!
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Were we better off under King George?</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32710#32710</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1551&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Mellow D&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:09 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;    quote:&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;     Great 'stuff,' MD!&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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Please. Call me, &quot;Doctor.&quot;
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Were we better off under King George?</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32709#32709</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=772&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Public D&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:55 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Great 'stuff,' MD! Wonder if Dr. Perry would show that in class? Maybe you could bring it in for show-and-tell, Adam?
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: LAND BANK FLINT'S BIGGEST SLUM LORD</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32708#32708</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=158&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:49 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;quote:&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;  &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ted Jankowski schreef: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Adam:   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;    quote:&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;    I'd rather spend my time and energy on other things than maintaining others property. 
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Which is it adam? Are you going to solve the problem, say you have the answer! Then not waste your time? The Truth be told you wouldn't be able to do anything mroe or less than what they are currently doing!! tYPICAL LIBERAL REPUBLICAN! 
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I tried working with them. It was a major pain in the ass and I gave up. I actually tried working with them twice. 
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Although I may be somewhat critical of the landbank Flint is about 10 times worse. I lost the rental ordinance by one vote. It's not worth it to me to goi to jail or risk losing 1,000's of dollars with that on the books. &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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They do not want it to be easy. They discovered the easy way wasn't the best way. Now, I don't remmember the exact numbers. But it was something like 90 percent of the homes that were pushed through the system. were returned to the land bank within two years. only 5 percent of the ones that took people almost a year to get have been returned. Which way is best?&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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I'm to the right of every Republican in the state house. I'm not saying I have all the answers I'm saying the land bank could run things better. I'm not willing to jump through hoops to try and help out and risk going to jail.
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It seems pretty easy for them. Get a bunch of houses and do nothing. I am confident they do a good job of keeping properties out of the hands of slumlords speculators etc. but when you don't sell properties that should happen.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Were we better off under King George?</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32707#32707</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1551&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Mellow D&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:36 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Adam, have you seen the &quot;Story of Stuff&quot;? It is 20 minutes long, but it is pretty interesting, especially when you get to that third arrow, and the story of designers. 
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Watch it here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.storyofstuff.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.storyofstuff.org/&lt;/a&gt; whole or 
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here &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=OqZMTY4V7Ts&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=OqZMTY4V7Ts&lt;/a&gt; in segments or 
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cut to the chase here (but you'll miss a lot of the action)
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	<title>Open chat :: Fire at Michael Lynn Lighting</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=922&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Flinn's Journal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:10 pm (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;This is a sad story.  I hope Michael Lynn Lighting stays in business.  I'm in the market for a certain kind of dining room chandelier which fits in with the vintage of my house.  If they do reopen, I plan on going to their fire sale.
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: LAND BANK FLINT'S BIGGEST SLUM LORD</title>
	<link>http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?p=32705#32705</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=54&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Ted Jankowski&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:38 am (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;    quote:&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;    They ARE flooded with properties, they ARE in the 1000s. There was no tax revenue on them. 
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I think you know that unkempt lots and vacant houses is NOT their strategy. They already are that way. 
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Adam, if you have the answer and can do so much better why don't you let them in on it? I'm sure you would have had all the properties in tip top shape by now. Where are all these eager buyers ready to improve them and pay taxes? That is just what the Land Bank is looking for. 
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Excellent !!!!
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Adam:   &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;    quote:&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;    I'd rather spend my time and energy on other things than maintaining others property. 
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Which is it adam? Are you going to solve the problem, say you have the answer! Then not waste your time? The Truth be told you wouldn't be able to do anything mroe or less than what they are currently doing!! tYPICAL LIBERAL REPUBLICAN! 
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I tried working with them. It was a major pain in the ass and I gave up. I actually tried working with them twice. 
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Although I may be somewhat critical of the landbank Flint is about 10 times worse. I lost the rental ordinance by one vote. It's not worth it to me to goi to jail or risk losing 1,000's of dollars with that on the books. &lt;hr color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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They do not want it to be easy. They discovered the easy way wasn't the best way. Now, I don't remmember the exact numbers. But it was something like 90 percent of the homes that were pushed through the system. were returned to the land bank within two years. only 5 percent of the ones that took people almost a year to get have been returned. Which way is best?
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	<title>Political Talk :: RE: Welfare for the Rich</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://flinttalk.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1536&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;WillDavison&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:53 am (GMT -4)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;hmmm... there seems to be a limit to the legnths of garbage posts.
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Probably a good thing around here.
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